Fandom Radio Problem - Let's Discuss

[fh_jackass]

It seems like some people are getting frustrated with fandom_radio broadcasting information that they don't want public.

Here's my proposal - Let Fandom Radio count as OOC information. It's really just a tool for all the major plot threads to be gathered in one place, and if we start blocking individual plot threads to keep other characters from knowing about it, then the muns lose the chance to keep track of what's happening. But all the characters shouldn't know what's happening all the time.

Campaign ads and other publically broadcast announcements could still count as IC information. Maybe the DJs could put little IC tags around such items? (Sorry, guys, don't want to make more work for you, and huge thanks for doing this in the first place!)

Questions? Comments? Cookies?

ETA: Replies frozen. Clarification on the IC/OOC rules for Fandom Radio is here. All questions, comment and cookies should be sent to the admins.

Comments

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[the4thsister.livejournal.com]

*passes you one of Piper's brownies* I'd been using it like this already otherwise all sorts of threads would have been really confusing. So yeah good idea to suggest eveyone uses it as such

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[fh_jackass]

*nod* It's kinda how I've been using it, too. (It's how we did it with hellmouth_news. But I figured it would be better if everyone's on the same page with regards to this.

*takes brownie* Ooh, these are good!

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[the4thsister.livejournal.com]

The best in the world! *grins*

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[valentine-tart.livejournal.com]

OOC I have zero problem with it. It's fantastic and I love Ash-mun, Barabarossa-mun, and Faith-mun for doing it. Outstanding work, fun, and something I read every night. I even stay up 'til it comes out.

IC, it's a problem for Beka. She's working her ass off to rehab her image to suit her own schemes, and of course she's going to be pissed when the radio either blows her cover or sticks to the old line.

No way should it go away! It's way too much fun to plot against them. It's cool to have the town get more involved. I *love* interacting with the radio and leaving snippy little notes. XD

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[fh_jackass]

Hee. If the radio goes officially OOC, then you could still comment on the radio posts and bitch out the DJ - it's just be in that weird "OOC but IC" zone and not actually count.

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[valentine-tart.livejournal.com]

But OMG! If it was OOC but IC, we'd have entire plots of OOC but IC. We'd have OOC but IC radio-tower raids, we'd have OOC but IC threats (which would be OK because then Beka could threaten to shoot them without getting suspended...hee!)... it'd be like a whole new game layer.

AR Fandom High! *snerk*

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[ten-and-chips.livejournal.com]

See, the Doctor considers it His Own Damn Fault for going out in public to take care of some certain business.

So while he's angry, he doesn't entirely blame Ash. It's Ash's interpretation that makes him want to slash the punk's throat with his claymore upset.

But that's the freedom of the press, so he accepts that as how things are.

[reposts so she can use a pretty new icon]

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[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

[CJ seethes and defends the honor of her relationship]

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[shane-mcc.livejournal.com]

Dude? Online? Nondescript brown-paper wrapping? Totally the way to go. *thumbsup*

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[wraithbaitjohn.livejournal.com]

Could a notation of some sort be included in original posts if people don't want their info going up as public info?

Something like this [DNB] (Do Not Broadcast) in the subject line, to indicate that a thread is open for discussion (not locked as we use it), but not to be announced on the radio. That way things that CAN go public, still do, but you won't end up stepping on toes.

That way anything that's left unflagged is still fair game. And it's really not that hard for people to put a few extra letters on something they don't want being broadcast.

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[fh_jackass]

That's a possibility - but remember that the original reason for the radio was to help players keep track of what's happening.

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[demonbelthazor]

I totally agree. I love the radio as a recap of the day's events and appreciate all the work put into it, but when people take the information in it as IC when there's really no way the radio would know about it, it causes problems and frustration. So I like it as an OOC recap (and you can follow threads and use common sense as to "Would my character have seen this?" if something takes place openly in a class room or something. Someone walking into a place of business in town wouldn't necessarily be a secret unless the character is skulking about and says they're making sure no one is looking, but the actions inside the shop (or dorm room) wouldn't be public knowledge unless your character was there).

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[notstakedyet.livejournal.com]

Ditto on all of this. (BFF!)

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[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

[pouts] But it's all drama! CJ's mun isn't mad at all, but is having rather a lot of fun conspiring with Daniel...

And to justify, Ash flat out said he was in full shock-jock mode. Shock-jocks are prepeared for backlash.

I like it the way it is...and it was completely IC for Ash to say what he said. I think all non-filtered and comm posts should be free game, but I think it's fun to have some fallout.

That's my 2cents.

Game on!

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[sogothcally.livejournal.com]

Sigh. After my inbox exploded on Thursday's radio posting, I guess I should've expected this.

Seriously, folks... Sorry if we're encroaching on someone's territory or something, but the people who gather up all the threads can only do so much reading, and then, (in the case of when I'm doing the posts as Ash), I do my best not to be encroaching on anything that'd seem "unfair knowledge".

With the amount of work it takes to come up with those recap posts, if it's simply an OOC work, I'd feel like I was wasting my time, since technically, then, it's a broadcast to nobody. I might as well just post the giant summary lists that I get to work from, and leave it at that.

If people want it to be IC, we'll have to establish a new set of rules and guidelines, I guess.

If people want it to be OOC, well, that's okay too, I guess. But it means certain IC threads will have to shut down... and I was kinda looking forward to CJ's revenge.

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[fh_jackass]

With the amount of work it takes to come up with those recap posts, if it's simply an OOC work, I'd feel like I was wasting my time, since technically, then, it's a broadcast to nobody. I might as well just post the giant summary lists that I get to work from, and leave it at that.

It wouldn't be a broadcast to nobody! We'd still all read it.

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[marieann-d.livejournal.com]

Here's a thought: what if we all used some common sense? I mean, if something takes place in a dorm room, and it's on fandom radio, you don't act on it, but you, as a player, can read it. If something happens in the Perk, or the park, or in the common room or class, someone could have, theoretically reported it to the radio station, and it's fair game for characters to act on.

Come on, seperate Player from Character. It's not that hard to excercise common sense.

(PS Love to the DJs!)

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[marieann-d.livejournal.com]

It's not that hard to excercise common sense.

Okay, people, I've worked in retail and food service for going on six years now. Please don't prove me wrong here like I've been proven wrong SO MANY TIMES at work. KK?

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[demonbelthazor]

I wish it was that easy, but I've already had lack of common sense used against me. But, in theory, I do agree with you!

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[death-n-binky.livejournal.com]

Question is, was the door open? If its closed, then it needs to be labeled as such. Have you ever met a gossip columnist? The fact is they're nosy. Really nosy. And, combine that with the grapevine of high school gossip, if you're not careful, EVERYONE will know.

Now, obviously, the links need to be OOC, since, if you're listening to the radio for information, you only know what is *said* over the radio, which is limited information. The links, which have the full story, are just for OOC reference.

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[chasingangela]

*gives Logan a cookie*

I always thought it was OOC -- basically just to keep all the players up to date -- but it does seem like people are treating it as IC. I agree we need to make it clearer one way or the other, and your proposed solution is fine.

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[death-n-binky.livejournal.com]

I always thought it was IC, personally. Like a campus radio station, which, I'll add, says a lot of things people wish it wouldn't. I don't interact with it, however, so I use it OOC, since DEATH doesn't listen, which means it doesn't effect me whatever is decided.

However, sometimes things, like free press, get in the way of plots. Its part of roleplaying. So, rather than changing the format, perhaps the characters that are annoyed should deal with it IC. Like make threats against the radio station, raid it, complain to the administration, etc, etc, etc. If we're going to have press around campus, its going to cause problems, and it bothers me when muns get uspet, rather than adapting and dealing with it IC.

Also, we have the option of marking things done in private, which, obviously, the press shouldn't know about. Now, as an OOC concern, these can always be added as an OOC part of the radio broadcast, as a way of muns keeping up... but things marked as locked, done in secret, etc... the press, unless you have reporter chars actively following you around (and that's a long and complicated plot), shouldn't know and therefore, shouldn't report.

By the way, just woke up, so not too concise.

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[death-n-binky.livejournal.com]

The comment down here was deleted because it just restated things in a way that echoed my frustration. No sense in starting fights when its Sunday. Everyone should be happy and relaxed on Sunday. :)

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[jerusalem-s.livejournal.com]

Let's NOT discuss. That community is an off-shoot of fandomhigh and issues should go to the game admin or to the maintainer of that community directly.

It is not a 'player' community. It was meant to be a fun and exciting way for players to keep track of what was going on in a general sense. If players are having problems with the OOC/IC line, it's an admin problem.

This game is not a democracy. Sorry guys... and some of this stuff needs to go to the admins. I'm very unhappy with this post, the discussion and also the fact that, as far as I can tell, NO ONE brought any of this to the admins before starting to discuss it.

There are publicly posted ways of getting hold of the admin and I'm on AIM almost every waking hour that I'm at home. If you guys have policy problems WHY are you not taking them to the admin?

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[fh_jackass]

I guess I didn't see this as a policy problem. Some people were taking the radio as OOC, some were taking it as IC and I thought I'd bring it out into the open to discuss. I'm not trying to tell them how to run the radio, I'm trying to sort out how people integrate it into the game, which concerns everyone.

This discussion has remained civil and I think we've got a good sense of how people perceive the radio, so I don't think any harm has been done.

I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes. From now on, if I have a game-wide concern, I'll run it by the admins before posting anything publicly.